Sanchez : [Columbus stops Sanchez after he leaves an audience with the Queen. Sanchez looks at him, disgusted] You're a dreamer.
Columbus : [shooting a glance out of a window] Tell me, what do you see?
Sanchez : [pausing to look] I see rooftops, I see palaces, I see towers, I see spires that reach... to the sky! I see civilisation!
Columbus : All of them built by people like me.
[Sanchez doesn't respond - shocked]
Columbus : No matter how long you live, Sanchez, there is something that will never change between us. I did it. You didn't.
随后哥伦布逐步淡出画面,成了远处一团模糊的光线,画面中只留下 Sanchez近处侧脸,但我们知道那可见的清晰的画面人物永远比不上那团光线——那团哥伦布留下的历史幕布下的余辉,无论画面中的侧脸存活多久,虚处的哥伦布比实在的Sanchez们更加恒久。Coz No matter how long you live, Sanchezs, there is something that will never change between us. I did it. You didn't.
——Frederick 2021.12.13
Many people in the United States and Latin America have grown up celebrating the anniversary of Christopher Columbus's voyage, but was he an intrepid explorer who brought two worlds together or a ruthless exploiter who brought colonialism and slavery? And did he even discover America at all? It's time to put Columbus on the stand in History vs. Christopher Columbus. "Order, order in the court. Wait, am I even supposed to be at work today?" <i>Cough</i> "Yes, your Honor. From 1792, Columbus Day was celebrated in many parts of the United States on October 12th, the actual anniversary date. But although it was declared an official holiday in 1934, individual states aren't required to observe it. Only 23 states close public services, and more states are moving away from it completely." <i>Cough</i> "What a pity. In the 70s, we even moved it to the second Monday in October so people could get a nice three-day weekend, but I guess you folks just hate celebrations." "Uh, what are we celebrating again?" "Come on, Your Honor, we all learned it in school. Christopher Columbus convinced the King of Spain to send him on a mission to find a better trade route to India, not by going East over land but sailing West around the globe. Everyone said it was crazy because they still thought the world was flat, but he knew better. And when in 1492 he sailed the ocean blue, he found something better than India: a whole new continent." "What rubbish. First of all, educated people knew the world was round since Aristotle. Secondly, Columbus didn't discover anything. There were already people living here for millennia. And he wasn't even the first European to visit. The Norse had settled Newfoundland almost 500 years before." "You don't say, so how come we're not all wearing those cow helmets?" "Actually, they didn't really wear those either." <i>Cough</i> "Who cares what some Vikings did way back when? Those settlements didn't last, but Columbus's did. And the news he brought back to Europe spread far and wide, inspiring all the explorers and settlers who came after. Without him, none of us would be here today." "And because of him, millions of Native Americans aren't here today. Do you know what Columbus did in the colonies he founded? He took the very first natives he met prisoner and wrote in his journal about how easily he could conquer and enslave all of them." "Oh, come on. Everyone was fighting each other back then. Didn't the natives even tell Columbus about other tribes raiding and taking captives?" "Yes, but tribal warfare was sporadic and limited. It certainly didn't wipe out 90% of the population." "Hmm. Why is celebrating this Columbus so important to you, anyway?" "Your Honor, Columbus's voyage was an inspiration to struggling people all across Europe, symbolizing freedom and new beginnings. And his discovery gave our grandparents and great-grandparents the chance to come here and build better lives for their children. Don't we deserve a hero to remind everyone that our country was build on the struggles of immigrants?" "And what about the struggles of Native Americans who were nearly wiped out and forced into reservations and whose descendants still suffer from poverty and discrimination? How can you make a hero out of a man who caused so much suffering?" "That's history. You can't judge a guy in the 15th century by modern standards. People back then even thought spreading Christianity and civilization across the world was a moral duty." "Actually, he was pretty bad, even by old standards. While governing Hispaniola, he tortured and mutilated natives who didn't bring him enough gold and sold girls as young as nine into sexual slavery, and he was brutal even to the other colonists he ruled, to the point that he was removed from power and thrown in jail. When the missionary, Bartolomé de las Casas, visited the island, he wrote, 'From 1494 to 1508, over 3,000,000 people had perished from war, slavery and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this?'" "Well, I'm not sure I believe those numbers." "Say, aren't there other ways the holiday is celebrated?" "In some Latin American countries, they celebrate the same date under different names, such as Día de la Raza. In these places, it's more a celebration of the native and mixed cultures that survived through the colonial period. Some places in the U.S. have also renamed the holiday, as Native American Day or Indigenous People's Day and changed the celebrations accordingly." "So, why not just change the name if it's such a problem?" "Because it's tradition. Ordinary people need their heroes and their founding myths. Can't we just keep celebrating the way we've been doing for a century, without having to delve into all this serious research? It's not like anyone is actually celebrating genocide." "Traditions change, and the way we choose to keep them alive says a lot about our values." "Well, it looks like giving tired judges a day off isn't one of those values, anyway." Traditions and holidays are important to all cultures, but a hero in one era may become a villain in the next as our historical knowledge expands and our values evolve. And deciding what these traditions should mean today is a major part of putting history on trial.
影片上映时间为1992年,刚好是哥伦布航行美洲500周年,完全可看作是纪念献礼片。 1492年,不仅对于西班牙,更对于整个世界,都是极为不平凡和重要的年份。 就像影片进行到23分钟处显示的“伊斯兰弯月被基督十字所取代”的那样,这一年年初,即1月2日,摩尔人占据的最后一个城市格拉纳达陷落。至此,发生在伊利比亚半岛上长达7个世纪的基督徒对摩尔人的“再征服运动”结束。随后,西班牙建立了统一王权,并因新大陆的财富成为近代历史上第一个崛起的大国。 同样是这一年的8月份,哥伦布率领三条船只向西展开未知命运的航行。 片头三分钟红底黑线绘成的图画,雄浑磅礴大气的配乐直击观众心底深处。就像有评论指出的,影片配乐是一大亮点。 “500年前,西班牙是一个迷信和敬畏神的国家,统治者和残忍的宗教裁判所惩罚敢于梦想的人。但是,有一个人向这个发起挑战,穿越未知的海域去寻找黄金和荣耀,为了使上帝更加光芒四射。”“人类发展中的每一次进步都有反对的异议者,那些先驱们,必须坚忍不拔地追求,而不管这些干扰。” 影片中,航行途中竟然做到了船员零损失,断无可能。对发现陆地这场戏处理很好,先是哥伦布拍死吸血的蚊子,然后是看到围绕船灯飞虫,清晨时分,海上升起大雾,散去后,是满是绿色植被掩映下的陆地岛屿。这一幕,在2005版《金刚》中骷髅岛的出现以及《亚维隆迷雾》中的的。哥伦布第一个跳下船只,迈向新大陆土地的脚步稳健有力,堪比:阿姆斯特朗踏足月球。哥伦布命令众人对对面的土著示好的场景类似《玛丽·布莱恩特》中英国移民初次踏足澳洲大陆时。 临近结尾: 哥伦布从狱中出来觐见女王,哥伦布承认“现实超出了预料”。女王允许其再进行一次航海,随后说:“那个新世界,是一场灾难。”(女王是站在己方立场而言,事实是对于印第安人是一场灾难:《西印度毁灭述略》、《征服新西班牙信史》。)哥伦布反问:“但旧的世界,是一个功绩(achievement)?” 在把发现新大陆的荣誉授予亚美里哥维斯普奇后,哥伦布站在人群里,丝毫不起眼。这时,两个贵族的对话颇有意思。“真是一场悲剧,一生的浪费。”“浪费?如果你我的名字能被后世记住的话,也仅仅是因为他。” 《亚当斯一家的价值观》中,小时候的克里斯蒂娜里奇饰演的女儿在夏令营的一次有关感恩节的舞台演出中说了一番话,大意是:如果印第安人预见了后来发生之事,就不会信任新移民,会烧毁他们的村庄,等等。看此片不禁有同感。假如:印第安人一开始就让哥伦布一行人有去无回,新大陆的发现究竟会晚上多少年?又不禁慨叹:假如郑和的航行是以寻找金银财富、开疆拓土为目的就好了。 推荐《玛丽·布莱恩特》,同样是有关海上冒险,女主人公凭借一条只能载五个大人两个小孩的小船沿着澳洲海岸线从现在的墨尔本一直漂到东帝汶。
Paradise does not exist.天堂是虚无的。
在基督教会的谆谆教导,以及火刑架的神圣光辉照耀下,
1492年的西班牙人,生活在一个美丽的谎言里:我们的世界是人间天堂。
世界是平的,太阳绕着地球转,海洋的尽头有怪兽等候,天使守在伊甸园的门口。
这个谎言依靠着一种秩序来维持:
上帝的真理牢牢扎根于每一个角落,任何离经叛道的思想都要被剿灭。
这种秩序压抑了所有超脱的思想、进取的精神。
任何企图挑战这个秩序的人,都要接受残酷的惩罚。
对死亡的恐惧,驯服了庸庸碌碌之辈,吓倒了懦弱犬儒之徒。
却激发了梦想家和探险者的梦想。
权力可以封上人的嘴,打断人的腿,消灭人的肉体。
但是消灭不了人的梦想。
因为梦想没有边界。
人类克服了对火的恐惧,因而得到了进化。
人类克服了对海的恐惧,因而发现了新大陆。
人类克服了对权力的恐惧,因而创造了新世界。
什么也不敢去克服的人,什么也做不到。
海洋波澜壮阔,一望无际,
有的人成功到达彼岸,有的人中途沉没,
沉没在中途的,是殉道者而非失败者。
真正失败的,是那些连第一步都没有迈出的人。
那些庸碌油腻,自怨自艾,还活着却早已死了的人,
会摆出一副看透人世的姿态来,
叫嚷着:
“这个世界不会改变,人要学会适应。”
不。一切都会改变。
因为有人在努力改变一切。
这不是中国人批判了几十年的英雄史观。
因为创造世界的,
不是帝王将相,不是僧侣主教,
却也更不是伏地跪拜的奴才,和唯唯诺诺的臣民。
创造世界的,
是将不可能变为可能的实干家,
和将禁止变为允许的勇士。
海边是一个广场,中间有一柱高塔,直插云端。高塔底部,有费迪南国王和伊莎贝尔女王的雕像。高塔顶部,还有一尊立像。
这会是谁呢?连堂堂国王和女王都在那么低下的部位守护着他,难道他是上帝?
云在他身边飘荡,他全然不理,只抬头放眼,注视远方。我立即猜出来了,只能是他,哥伦布。
——余秋雨
场面浩大,服化道赏心悦目,老雷的击剑情结也得到了再现,结尾带有一种童话般的纯真气质
被配乐撑起来的电影,整体上和一篇命题作文没什么两样。
是梦想家也是实干者 雾散露出海岛的一幕实在是感人 在海上漂了这么久更知道脚下土地的坚实 群岛和大陆 只差一个多星期的航程啊 idealism and ambition are not incompatible.riches don't make a man rich,they only make him busier. nothing that results from human progress is achieved with unanimous consent. 画面对比反差似乎不大 两个孩子都长得很清秀啊
with樂 SEP; 配樂超棒,好多耳熟的音樂都出自這裡;感覺美化了侵略史
2012-282.重看,三星半。音乐太熟悉了…
想知道莱德利斯科特对此类题材的偏爱与执着从何而来……
在一个相信圣诞老人的时代,你要问的是:世界的东方有什么?地球的地理格局是怎样的?哪些是当时宗教禁止做的事?谁的理论主导了当时社会对世界的认知?社会对私有财产的态度是什么?当时的科学宗教和医学的状况。人们是怎么进行航行的?船上的等级制度,谁决定航行的时长?与RS他作一样肤浅。
【补標】蓝光影碟再看为了一首MV重新验证再看蓝光影碟从头到尾……今网上有人发了这首《远航》Sailing这首歌MV(用了电影🎦画面),勾起我的重新再看的想法,其实该片从头到尾没有这首歌曲的出现,我想是音乐人自己后配的MV根据哥伦布航海的宏大主题,倒是那些在我们电视剧里的主题曲耳闻能详的不绝于耳从头到尾反复出现。不知道“引用”者在电视剧后面注明没有人家的原创版权(题外话)……——『生命比梦想更富有想象色彩』2021-7-9 蓝光影碟重新再看
台词考究这是肯定的,音乐有一段真是不知道是不是本剧的原创?实在太赞了,而且这个攻击异形的女帝来当女王性格实在让人大爱,平普的节奏孕育出不一样的壮举,继续废话,我觉得哥伦布是在搞科研,方向、未知……
原来那么多牛逼的音乐都来自于这部影片!虽然剧情。。。
8.5「All created by people like me,no matter how long you live,one thing will never change between us—I did it,you didn’t.」;很多年前朋友推荐过这部作品的原声给身处泥潭中的我 我也因此从中获取了力量 数年后伴随熟悉的原声观看这部作品 虽然将她定位为诗史略觉夸大 但影片中的那股勇气与坚韧在我看来永远是渺小的人类通往壮丽辉煌的大路的指向灯;没有这一步的尝试 恐怕雷公也没有日后的角斗士和天国王朝这样的不朽之作。
范吉利斯的主题配乐真是气势恢宏,名不虚传。片子大体上按一般历史上认定的进程进行,不过没有把侧重点放在发现之旅上,而是通过描写发现第一块大陆(其实是太平洋群岛)以及和原住民进行交流,接着进行殖民活动,但是遭遇挫败的角度,较为立体的塑造出一个人物形象。总体来说还是有可看点,稍显平淡。
当年大扑街的项目,今天重看来竟然缓缓地又有点味道。
老雷初试史诗片,恰好在哥伦布首次航行500周年上映。剧情略松散,且笔墨基本集中于哥伦布发现大陆后的治理,讲他如何平定内乱和获取资源,以及这些活动对原住民的影响;相较而言旅途艰险并没有得到太多的渲染(哥伦布几句话的演讲就让信心动摇的船员团结一致了),但看到首次航行中雾中缓缓现出真容的陆地我还是被触动了一下。电影着重表现出了哥伦布理想主义者的一面,他以发现新世界,建设文明为荣,带着一种近乎偏执的狂热,但总体态度还是褒大于贬的。对欧洲中世纪风貌的还原做得还行,精美服装衬得《异形》中以中性面貌示人的西格尼·韦弗异常艳丽。而范吉利斯的配乐恢弘而大气(尤其是那首经典的《Conquest of Paradise》,听得人想马上收拾行李踏上未知的征程),有时间要听这部的OST。
3星半 雷公初试史诗片,其实已经很有《角斗士》的前身了,尤其是一流的视听效果,实景实物实在令人惊叹,配乐更是点睛之笔,用了Vangelis的名曲《Conquest of Paradise》担当主题乐,唯一可惜的是故事上并没乐曲这般的磅礴雄势。其实无论政治还是人性,“哥伦布”这题材能讲的东西都太多了,是完全能有更多深度的题材,但硬塞154分钟里也实在有心无力,格局过大,就连人物也仓促得更显粗糙。但当我面对那首传世的名曲时,我突然意识到,这些都已毫不重要了,在这等宏魄的律调中,影片所带来的,远远比不上听者所想象的——那些乘风破浪的船只,在那段日月逾迈的岁月里,承载着一群孤注一掷的探险家。所有的欲望与梦想,所有的热血与伟大,沸腾着,歌颂着,炽烈地闪耀令人睁不开眼睛。哥伦布是终究征服不了天堂的,但是这首曲子可以,因它就是为此存在的
1.雷德利的选角都是成功的 2.影片的故事人物和背景太重,导致结构松散不紧凑 3.想说的太多 4.Vangelis 应该不会想到他雄壮的航海配乐会广泛用于中国各大传销年会 5.Sigourney Weaver 真女王气场 6.点赞表白服装化妆,请收下膝盖
雷公又一部被低估的片。被后世用到烂的范吉利斯的配乐就不说了,二十多年后格雷的《迷失Z城》显然是在本片基础上所构建的杰作,甚至连那个神一般的结尾感觉都是受到了这部片结尾的启发
155分钟的长片讲述一个"人所共知"的故事,五百年前的壮举不过如此?
he didn't own sth,while he built that all
new world, not better world for him.